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Season 1 Episode 1; Alexander The Great vs. Genghis Khan

RSV 123 November 7, 2012 User blog:RSV 123

Alexander the Great, the greatest military leader of all time, who formed the largest empire of all time

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Genghis Khan, the greatest general of his time who forged world biggest empire a single man ever formed

Two greatest military master mind of all time come face to face to a great battle, speed vs. strength, quickness vs. rigidness, arrows vs. shields now these two great generals will start the great battle to find out...............WHO....................IS...................DEADLIEST

Alexander the Great

DW Season2 AlexanderTheGreat
Alexander the Great, was a king of Macedon, a state in northern ancient Greece. Born in Pella in 356 BC, Alexander was tutored by Aristotle until the age of 16. By the age of thirty, he had created one of the largest empires of the ancient world, stretching from the Ionian Sea to the Himalayas.He was undefeated in battle and is considered one of history's most successful commanders.

Weapons

Category Arms and Armor
Close Range
Kopis

Kopis Sword

- Macedonian Kopis has a blade with the length of about 48cm. The kopis had a single-edged blade that pitched forward towards the point, the edge being concave on the part of the sword nearest the hilt, but swelling to convexity towards the tip. This shape, often termed "recurved," distributes the weight in such a way that the kopis was capable of delivering a blow with the momentum of an axe, whilst maintaining the long cutting edge of a sword and a capability to deliver a thrust.

Mid Range
Xyston
Xyston Lance

- The xyston was a type of a long thrusting spear in ancient Greece. It measured about 3.5–4.25 meters (11–13.9 ft) long and was probably held by the cavalryman with both hands, although the depiction of Alexander the Great's xyston on the Alexander Mosaic in Pompeii (see figure), suggests it could also be used single handed. It had a wooden shaft and a spear-point at both ends. Possible reasons for the secondary spear-tip were that it acted partly as a counterweight and also served as a backup in case the Xyston was broken in action.

Long Range
Toxotes bow
Toxotes bow

- Toxotes were Greek archers who carried a Short Bow, for shooting target a far, and a sword and shield, for personal protection.For armor they wore cloth or leather armor to protect their body. The Cretan archers, a variation, used long bows instead of short bows to increase distance but required more training to master.

Special Weapons
Labrys axe
Labrys axe

- Labrys is the term for a symmetrical doubleheaded axe originally from Crete in Greece, one of the oldest symbols of Greek civilization; to the Romans, it was known as a bipennis.

Armor
Bronze Cuirass
Aspis

Bronze Cuirass and Aspis-

Cuirass is a type of body armor cast to fit the wearer's torso and designed to mimic an idealized human physique. It first appears in late Archaic Greece and became widespread throughout the 5th– 4th centuries BC. It is commonly depicted in Greek and Roman art, where it is worn by generals, emperors, and deities during periods when soldiers used other types.

Aspis shield was a deeply-dished shield made of wood. Some shields had a thin sheet of bronze on the outer face, often just around the rim. In some periods, the convention was to decorate the aspis; in others, it was usually left plain. Probably the most famous aspis decoration is that of Sparta: a capital lambda (Λ). From the late 5th century BC, Athenian hoplites commonly used the Little Owl, while the shields of Theban hoplites were sometimes decorated with a sphinx, or the club of Heracles.

Soldiers

Category Arms and Armor
Companion Cavalry
Companion Cavalry

Kopis

Xyston

Bronze Cuirass

Phalanx
Phalanx

Kopis

Xyston

Bronze Cuirass

Aspis

Toxotei
Toxotai

Kopis

Toxotas bow

Bronze Cuirass

Aspis

Advantages

  • Soldiers are very well trained, disciplined and experienced
  • Stronger in melee
  • High defensive abilities

Anticipated best weapon- Xyston

Anticipated Best soldier- Companion Cavalry

Genghis Khan

Genghis Khan
Genghis Khan
, born Temujin, was the founder and Great Khan (emperor) of the Mongol Empire, which became the largest contiguous empire in history after his demise.He came to power by uniting many of the nomadic tribes of northeast Asia. After founding the Mongol Empire and being proclaimed "Genghis Khan", he started the Mongol invasions that resulted in the conquest of most of Eurasia.

Weapons

Category Arms and Armor
Close Range
Turko-mongol Saber

Turko-mongol Saber

- The saber was primarily used for slashing, although it could also thrust. The length and curvature of the saber made it especially well-suited for use from horseback. Because of its effectiveness, the Mongol saber would influence sword designs throughout Asia and Eastern Europe for centuries until firearms rendered them obsolete.

Mid Range
Jida lance

Jida Lance

- The jida had an 8-inch steel spearhead mounted on top of a long wooden shaft, the entire spear being about 12 feet long. Like most spears, the jida lance was primarily used for thrusting. Although effective from foot, its primary use was from horseback.

Long Range
Composite recurve bow

Mongol Rcurve Bow

- The Mongol bow is renowned for its military effectiveness, as evidenced by the success of Mongol archers on the battlefield. It had a maximum range of 500 meters, and the Mongols were able to target individual soldiers up to 200 meters away. Mongol archers used a wide variety of arrows (such as armor-piercing arrows, wide tipped assault arrows, fire arrows), depending on the target and distance, and would time their shot for when all four of the horse's feet were off the ground, thus enabling a steady, well-aimed shot. The Mongol bow could be fired from a kneeling position during dismounted combat thanks to it's compact size, this offered better control and accuracy.

Special Weapons
Flanged Mace

Flanged Mace

- The mace consisted of a flanged head on the end of a long handle. The more intricate the design, the more prestigious the man wielding it would have been. The flanges concentrated the force of the blow on a smaller area, giving it more power. It would have been used from horseback or on foot, with the former having a longer handle. The bludgeoning force of the weapon was strong enough to kill a helmeted opponent due to a broken neck when it struck the helmet

Armor
Steel lamellar

Steel Lamellar

- Lamellar was a type of armor used in ancient societies all over the world from Asia to Europe. The earliest types of lamellar were made of bronze and were held together with lacing of varying types of leather, silk, ect. Later, the armor was made of Iron and steel, but was still laced together. Lamellar was also made of studded leather, bamboo scales etc. While it fell out of favor in the western world for chain mail and solid plate, it remained popular in Eastern Asia. Lamaller provide protection from slashes and tauma but it is nopt much powerful againt thurshs

Soldiers

Category Arms and Armor
Mongol Horse Archer
Mongol Horse Archer

Mongol Recurve Bow

Jida Lance

Turko Mongol Sword

Steel Lamellar

Mongol Foot Soldier
Mongol Archer

Mongol Recurve Bow

Jida Lance

Turko Mongol Sword

Flanged Mace

Steel Lamellar

Advantages

  • Very good in archery and horse riding
  • Stronger in range
  • Very high ranged attack

Anticipated best weapon- Mongol Recurve Bow

Anticipated best soldier- Mongol Horse Archer

Edges

Close range- Kopis is a nice sword bbut due to the Alexander vs. Attila episode many underestimate it but Kopis has gotten more kill the simulation, and it create more Blunt tauma than the turko-mongol saber but the saber is longer and has more slicing ability than the Kopis. Edge- Genghis Khan

Mid range- Jida lance is not much powerful but the Xyston can break armor in a single blow. Edge- Alexander the Great

Long range- Toxotes bow is powerful, long ranged and accurate weapon but they cannot equal the ability of mongol horse archery. Edge- Genghis Khan

Special- Mace is very powerful but it is also very slow, while the axe is also very slow is create also has a nice slicing power as it has a nice blunt tauma power. Edge- Alexander the Great

Armor- Steel Lamellar is very tough and very quick and perfect for horse riding ,while , bronze curiass is not as much tough but Aspis can nulify that but still it is much slower. Edge- Even

Expert's Opinion for Alexander the Great (by El Alamein)

Genghis Khan's greatest advantage in this fight is the mobility of his horse archers, but it's not really that big of a deal. Bows are not precision weapons, they're most efficient when fired en masse to blanket your foe under a barrage of arrows. Genghis and four soldiers will not be able to blanket Alexander's men with arrows. I like Alexander's weapons - and sure, they're really similar to Hannibal's weapons, and Hannibal lost to Genghis - but Alexander focused on cavalry just as much as Genghis did. His Companion cavalry plowed through Persia and India!


Thundr likes to say that the only way Genghis was stopped was by death, but that's a null point - it also stands true for Alexander. Alexander may be at a marginal disadvantage weapon-wise, but he more than makes up for it tactically. Simply put, he never lost a battle in his life! From the Battle of Granicus River to the Battle of Gaugemala, he was able to overcome any obstacle thrown at him - chariots, elephants, and yes, even horse archers. He's far more adaptable than the Khan, who frankly, is a one-trick pony - horse archery, horse archery, horse archery... Alexander deals with things on a huge scale, and when you scale everything down to a 5-on-5, there's nowhere Alexander can go wrong. Genghis can keep his distance all he likes, but Alexander's shield, breastplate, and horse will make it very hard for an arrow to fell him. And as powerful as the Khan is, I'd like to see him fend off 3 Companion cavalrymen at once.


Thundr is focusing on all the wrong aspects of the fight - Alexander won't send his men off on pathetic one-on-ones that Deadliest Warrior likes to show. No, I assume he'd be smart enough to send more than one man after one foe. Sure, steel lamellar might beat bronze, but try to fight off three or four guys at once. Good luck. Genghis won his battles thanks to strength in numbers, and Alexander consistently fought off armies with far more soldiers than he brought to the field.


To sum it all up, Alexander's more tactically sound and more diverse in his strategies on the battlefield. He's dealt with a wider range of foes, from chariots to elephants to other horse archers, and he's defeated them all. He's a charismatic leader and a courageous fighter. Most importantly, the Khan's advantage in long range with the bow and mobility with the horse is negated by Alexander's strong armor and the Companion cavalrymen. Alexander is the truth.

Expert's Opinion for Genghis Khan (By Thundrtri)

Genghis Khan has this battle in the bag. For one, he brings more diverse and combat effective weapons. The second is his battle tactics and skills as a commander are legendary and will be extremely useful in this battle. Finally, he has the best armor available, it's durable and light. Alexander stands absolutely no chance in this fight.

Genghis Khan brings and effective variety of useful weapons. The main advantage with Khan is his Mongol recurve bow. The thing was one of the single most effective weapons in the history of warfare. His archers were extremely skilled from horseback and could easily dominate Alexander. Their skills surpass that of most horseback archers. In fact, most archers. Then there are Genghis's other weapons. There's the flanged mace which is a crushing weapon, this means it will smash Alexander's helmet in. A bladed weapon like the Labrys axe will glance off. This gives Genghis a supreme advantage over the Macedonian.

Genghis' battle tactics are incredible. He conquered half of Asia for gods sakes. His tactics and skills are very efficient and demonstarte extreme skill. The feined retreat for example, dominated his foes. Can you imagine holding out, retreating for so long? This shows just how capable a commander Genghis was. A point brought up many times in the show was, the only way he was ever stopped, was he died! He was an incredible commander who's skills are unmatched by Alexander.

Finally, there is armor. Genghis's armor is made of steel. Alexander's is bronze. There is a reason you don't see many bronze kitchen appliances around. Steel is the better metal, it's stronger and more durable. Then you combine the superior material, to the superior style. Genghis brings steel lamellar to the fight. An armor that was specifically designed to deflect blows and provide optimum movement to the person wearing it. This will be a great advantage in the fight against Alexander.

In conclusion, we see superior weapons, skills / tactics and armor on Genghis' side which will grant him victory in this battle.

Note

  • This will be a 10 vs.10 battle, Alexander with 3 Companion Cavalry, 3 Phalanx, 3 Toxotes, Khan with 4 Horse Archers, 5 Mongol Foot Soldiers.
  • This battle will be in a ruin town with Alexander in the high ground.
  • Sorry for any spelling or grammar mistake.

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